The first piece I came across by Kalli and Kaija was Night Swimmer, which follows Marilyn Korzekwa, a 61-year-old swimmer, as she attempts to be the first person to cross Lake Superior, from Michigan, USA to Ontario, Canada. The way Kalli and Kaija think about place and tension within their work is mesmerising; they are constantly questioning how to elevate the experience of non-living beings and how to navigate our relationship with the world around us through storytelling. In this interview you’ll learn about narrative structure and how Kalli and Kaija make collaboration work for them. This piece also features an audio challenge from the wonderful maker T.H. Ponders. Enjoy!